Monday, December 27, 2004

Israel is Not About Land, Iraq Not about Oil

Let's get two things straight.

The battle in Israel is not over land.

And the war in Iraq is not about oil.

Yes, oil got us interested in Iraq, but is clearly not why we are there now.

First, we are spending more money than we would spend just to get oil. (We're losing money, ya know - a lot of it.)

Second, oil did not stimulate President Bush to go into Iraq; evil did. Evil, and the the world's worst tyrant since Hitler.

The battle in Israel is not about land but pushing Jews out, not about a people who lived there but about seeding "Palestinians" in, and swaying world opinion.
The war in Israel is about Jews vs. no Jews.

Odd, isn't it, that the war in Israel isn't about Palestinians?

And the war in Iraq isn't about Iraqis. If it were, the majority wouldn't be under attack by the minority. Iraq is about freedom vs. despotism, good vs. evil.

Now, isn't that simpler?


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December 27, 2004 at 11:43 PM  
Blogger Martin said...

It is really that simple. Why some people cannot grasp this, I have no idea. Their all-encompassing hatred for the Bush administration blinds them and it is truly a shame when we could be working together to do what is best for the world.

December 27, 2004 at 11:43 PM  
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Very well stated lifemore...

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Blogger Falconmyst said...

We went to War under false pretensences of "weapons of mass destruction" - which there were none, and where is Osma? Homeland secruity was another erosion of our personal freedoms, and a smoke screen policy that we were doing something about real safty issues, we are no safer than prior to 9-11.

The Truth is a bitter pill; and always there is another side of the coin.

December 28, 2004 at 1:06 PM  
Blogger GoatLogic said...

Well as always the liberals come out with their hind sight ideologies. It is always easy to look back and make the point that the pretenses for war were unfounded since no WMDs have been found. However, I'll make the claim that if I were a drug smuggler and had 4 months to move my drugs before the FBI did a bust then I would be most prompt to move them...Hell in 4 months what couldn't you find a way to move...I would bet that most of the weapons moved over the borders into Iran and Syria as Isreali Intelligence has suggested since before our incursion. However, since all sense of Reason evades most liberals they always have to look back on a decesion that President Bush made based on the intelligence that was brought before him. It is not the role of the Commander & Chief to handhold or babysit the CIA (George Tenet). Which by the way lost all ground informants under Former President Clintons directive. So if you're looking for a finger to point on bad intelligence point that finger where it belongs - President Clinton.

Now as to the rest of the post. It was a well formed oppinion.


December 28, 2004 at 5:06 PM  
Blogger jnm0319 said...

I wonder how we went to war under false pretenses? The US gave Hussein several nerve gases and other weaponry to use against Iranians during their war against them. So we know he had them. And he only recently used them against his own people! Furthermore, virtually every intelligence agency said that Hussein had WMD, so I guess they were wrong too. Hussein gave jets to the Iranians during the first Gulf War so isn't it plausible that he may have done the same the WMD's to Iran or maybe even Syria so we can't find them? Iraq is virtually a desert the size of Texas...ya think maybe he could have hidden them somewhere in the desert? I just read that kids in Vietnam got blown up from ordinace spent forty years ago during the Vietnam War...boy you'd have thought that they would have found it by now...wouldn't you? Or maybe we should have waited for Hussein to use them...that would have been more palatable wouldn't it?

Osama is still on the run..and since 9/11 he has not been able to coordinate any terrorist efforts against our homeland...kudos to us because of our involvement in the middle East.

I have to wonder what "freedoms" YOU PERSONALLY have lost because of the Patriot Act (homeland security) that you (and others) should be so concerned about it? The way I read the Patriot Act, unless you are outside of the continental US, of questionable or nefarious character, or a suspected or known terrorist...your personal freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights..are still intact....
And finally...if we are no safer now than prior to 9-11 then maybe we should immediately oull out of Iraqand Afghanistan, dump placing air marshals on airline flights and other increased security measures, repeal the Patriot Act that has kept us free from terrorist acts on the continetal US for nearly 4 years now (in the 90's there were 4 terrists acts against us the way I count it), and leave the CIA again give us erroneous information on WMD and terrorists through the world..right?

I guess I just don't see the the "other side of the coins" logic.......

December 28, 2004 at 5:29 PM  
Blogger STAG said...

I am a Canadian who, like all Canadians, is more than a little nervous of the culture of fear within our greatest partner. Y'all have a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later when ya get nervous.... (google Mahar Arar for further info)
But aside from a tendency to be nervous of strong US presidents, I think most "furriners" know that Hussein was an evil man, and had to be taken out. My old regiment did extra duties in Afganistan to free up US soldiers for the Gulf War, and are still there. Not too many people think this was a bad idea. Well, maybe some "tally bann" wogs don't like it, but tough!
Okay, Saddam is taken out. There are no more weapons of mass destruction....there is no more republican guard. Iraq is no longer a threat. There is no more evil in the country. You can come home now. Let the Arabs build themselves a nice new Arab state. Butt out allready! Let them sort themselves out...this IS after all, the OLDEST civilization in the world! I think they know how to do it.

December 29, 2004 at 12:07 PM  
Blogger jnm0319 said...


So the Islamic Jihadists coming into Iraq from Syria, Iran, and where else to disrupt democratic Iraqi elections aren't evil?

December 29, 2004 at 11:10 PM  
Blogger FatherofFour said...

The war in Iraq has many roots, but the big picture has more do to with "Dollar Hegemony" and American Empire than the govt is willing to tell us. Peak Oil is also a big part.

No democracy. Not WMDs. Not Terrorism...

January 2, 2005 at 1:27 AM  
Blogger Sean H. Banks said...

"Evil," what a load of nonsense. The US government does not care about "evil."

Saddam Hussein has been an "evil" dictator from the day he took power, that didn't stop the US from siding with him for thirty years.

Take a look at Africa: dozens of vicious, oppressive, "evil" dictatorships. What does the West do about them? Nothing. The US is not interested in removing dictators from power unless there's something else to be gained from it apart from mere glory. What something would that be? Oil? Of course not oil. Oil is a means to an end.

The Bush administration's agenda has been spelt out very clearly: It is to assure US world domination. Invading Iraq had nothing to do with removing Saddam, the idea was to establish a large-scale military presence in the region. The "threat" from Iraq was used as an excuse, and now, as the WMD lie has been exposed, they're blabbing about "freeing the Iraqis," instead.

More bullshit. The Iraq invasion has been on the Neo-Cons checklist before GWB even got into office.

"the world's worst tyrant since Hitler"
Interesting how people who know nothing about history, keep invoking the Hitler monster every time they're short on facts to support their position.

As for Israel, it is the Israelis that are doing the seeding, pal.
I find your obvious and callous disregard for the rights and freedoms of non-Zionist Bush-lovers disgusting. It is not the Palestinians who are sabotaging the peace process, it is the Sharon government.

"And the war in Iraq isn't about Iraqis. If it were, the majority wouldn't be under attack by the minority. Iraq is about freedom vs. despotism, good vs. evil.

Now, isn't that simpler?"

Your infantile, misinformed world-view is about as simplistic as that of any retarded Islamic Jihadist who thinks he's on a crusade.

Just because it's simple, doesn't make it accurate.

January 10, 2005 at 10:06 AM  
Blogger Sad American said...

I really like your site, but I disagree about not invading Iraq for oil. I did not believe so either--thought that was a conspiracy theory or the ramblings of disgruntled people--until I studied up on PNAC and the Neocons and discovered that they planned this war as part of their militarization plan for the USA and to definitely control oil and gain a foothold in the Middle East. They are quite open about their plans and even attempted to push President Clinton to attack Iraq during his presidency--I have seen a copy of their letter. This group of neocons consists of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and other top officials in Washington (and now Bush). They said all that was needed to get their plan into action more quickly was a catastrophic event such as a Pearl Harbor, which happened on 9-11. I completely believe they manipulated the citizens at a time of national sorrow and fear in order to rally them behind the invasion and subsequent war. They also completely believed that the war would be paid for with oil (and are still hoping that), and they did not expect the huge insurgency that is taking place. The one hope is that maybe out of this war of greed and aggression the Iraqi people will actually gain freedom and possibly a democracy (but it should be their choice, if the majority want a theocracy, then that is their choice and not ours). I wholeheartedly agree that this is a case of evil vs. good, but the evil, I believe, is in the people who wish to militarize the US.

January 14, 2005 at 12:40 PM  
Blogger Carl said...

Agreed on both points. Israel has equal or superior rights compared with Palestinian Arabs, especially considering Muslims accept the divinity of man's oldest written record--the Bible, which unambiguously reserves what now is Israel for Jews. And it's not about oil (except it was for the French, the Russians and the Germans). Bush never said Iraq was an "imminent" threat, nor did he lie.

The bottom line is this: before the invasion, there were only two places middle Eastern Arabs could freely and fairly vote: Israel and the UN General Assembly. Starting January 30th, Iraq became the third; the widespread joy on election day, and the democratic outcome and aftermath, are themselves sufficient to justify ousting Saddam.

Sean mocks the concept of evil. I think the failure to distinguish between good and evil is an abandonment of humanity--both shameful and dangerous. And, though I have enormous respect for Sad American, I suggest this: 1) America's at war, not "overly militarized"; and 2) Iraqis stopped being planted in mass graves and began voting. Why isn't that enough?

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